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Post by Nimrod on May 12, 2013 23:57:06 GMT 10
More pressure needs to be placed on Pirelli. I also think it is damaging the companies image. People will start associating Pirelli with bad tyres. I certainly wouldn't be putting Pirellis on my car.
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Post by Emm on May 12, 2013 23:58:24 GMT 10
I didn't understand Dan's strategy at all until the final stint. Clearly the set of used hards he had at the end there were either a bad copy or flat spotted in quali, which is why they kept pushing so long on the used mediums early on. Great defensive drive from him!
Decent recovery drive for Mark, his race pace was not too bad, though he benefited against Vettel by having the undercut at all the stops. His starts are insane! Please fix. Not going to happen is it? ;-)
The WDC is much closer now. Always a good day when SebVet is off the podium! Fernando for the WDC hopefully.
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Post by doa on May 12, 2013 23:58:50 GMT 10
Good effort Mark, recovered from a disaster of a first lap. Great drive Dan. Good thing for us I think is that Seb struggled nearly as much with the tyres as Mark did in this race so its likely the team will actually work to find a fix more quickly than if it was just Mark. Problem is that Mark already suffered in Qualy
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Post by dearchitect on May 12, 2013 23:58:51 GMT 10
I just want to say now that I really hope that fernando can take out the title this year!! Seb is a phenomenal driver, but a situation where he is a 3x WDC (and potentially a 4x) while Fernando is only 2x is not a fair nor just one. (not a FirstWorldProblem ... an F1WorldProblem!) i don't know about phenomenal... not when you've had your whole career is layed out before you by RBR and everything paid for you... he hasn't had to work as hard to get where he is than other great drivers have
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Post by dearchitect on May 13, 2013 0:00:18 GMT 10
oh no! its eddie jordan... cringe
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Post by 20+yearf1fan on May 13, 2013 0:01:56 GMT 10
I just want to say now that I really hope that fernando can take out the title this year!! agree... as long as its not petal They changed thwm for this race! !!!
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Post by r on May 13, 2013 0:02:00 GMT 10
Tyres are rubbish, and yes Simon, they all have to use them, doesn't change the fact they are bs. At least Martin is starting to make some noise about them. A few more drivers should follow Mark and Lewis and have the nads to say something.
Considering the atrocious start it was a good effort. Good drive from Dan, unfortunately had no pace in the last stint, out of tyres I think. Typical despite racing for the last point the commentators missed the scrap at the end . Must have a been bloody wide car for a few laps.
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Post by loudhoward on May 13, 2013 0:02:04 GMT 10
EJ asking two questions to Kimi about what he thinks about what other people think, that's really good questioning.
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Post by williams400 on May 13, 2013 0:03:29 GMT 10
Didnt Pirelli give teams extra sets of tyres
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Post by Nimrod on May 13, 2013 0:04:06 GMT 10
For practice
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Post by RicciardoWinsIn2016 on May 13, 2013 0:04:48 GMT 10
I haven't seen one single podium "interview" that hasn't sounded like shite, and made the drivers look about as comfortable as a pineapple up the rectum. That, combined with watching "The pinnacle of motor sport" limp around 5 seconds slower than they are capable of is really driving me away from F1 right now
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Post by 20+yearf1fan on May 13, 2013 0:05:22 GMT 10
Didnt Pirelli give teams extra sets of tyres That was an extra set of "experimental" tyres on friday . When the weather was so conducive to extra running
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Post by fernandofangirl on May 13, 2013 0:05:30 GMT 10
An awesome drive from Fernando!
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Post by dufus101 on May 13, 2013 0:06:25 GMT 10
Seb is a phenomenal driver, but a situation where he is a 3x WDC (and potentially a 4x) while Fernando is only 2x is not a fair nor just one. (not a FirstWorldProblem ... an F1WorldProblem!) i don't know about phenomenal... not when you've had your whole career is layed out before you by RBR and everything paid for you... he hasn't had to work as hard to get where he is than other great drivers have Young drivers with promise and speed have to deliver, or they get left behind. Nando delivered. Lewis delivered. Seb delivered. Champion drivers with car that gives title-winning opportunity have to deliver, or they are remembered as very good, not great, and certainly not phenomenal. I'd suggest that Seb's past four years have been phenomenal. Only a somewhat ridiculous ruling re: double diffusers stopped him from being 4x WDC chasing his fifth straight title. Want to talk about not having to work as hard making your way through the ranks to get to F1? Helloooo, Kimi!
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Post by katederby on May 13, 2013 0:07:45 GMT 10
I'd have taken been 1 behind Vettel and matching his pace before the start... so... onwards and hope and pray the tyres work better in Monaco.
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Post by 20+yearf1fan on May 13, 2013 0:08:11 GMT 10
correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't these the hard tires they modified to be more durable 2 races ago? it would have been an 8 stop race if they didn't do that So as a championship double for spain is it Fernando and Jorge or Fernando and Marc
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Post by doa on May 13, 2013 0:09:48 GMT 10
I haven't seen one single podium "interview" that hasn't sounded like shite, and made the drivers look about as comfortable as a pineapple up the rectum. That, combined with watching "The pinnacle of motor sport" limp around 5 seconds slower than they are capable of is really driving me away from F1 right now And taht's why, as stupid as it sounds, I am hoping Mark retires asap. I am sick of watching this every weekend, atm Mark is the only reason why I still tune in on all those Sundays when I could do much more productive things.
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Post by dufus101 on May 13, 2013 0:10:40 GMT 10
I haven't had a huge problem with tyres until tonight Rick. Some misgivings, but not too many. However I agree that tonight was shite. For everyone.
My main objection has been to others blaming Pirelli for the situation. Yes, they're part of the problem, but not a major part.
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Post by oldjonesfan on May 13, 2013 0:12:11 GMT 10
I'd suggest that Seb's past four years have been phenomenal. Only a somewhat ridiculous ruling re: double diffusers stopped him from being 4x WDC chasing his fifth straight title. At that rate of "what ifs" you could also argue if Mark wasn't injured he could have won in 2009, and if Seb hadn't got that Safety Car in Britain in 2010 just before he was about to be lapped by Mark then either Mark or Nando would have won the Title.
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Post by loudhoward on May 13, 2013 0:12:20 GMT 10
i don't know about phenomenal... not when you've had your whole career is layed out before you by RBR and everything paid for you... he hasn't had to work as hard to get where he is than other great drivers have This is bullshit, Red Bull support drivers that they think have the right stuff. Then they aggressively cull those from their program that they don't think are really top flight. Then as though what happened on his way to F1 impacts how phenomenal an F1 driver is doesn't make sense either. It'd be the other way around if you ask me, if you didn't have the talent but got through the lower formulas just because of Red Bull then that means jack when you get to F1. Ask Liuzzi.
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Post by simonr23 on May 13, 2013 0:14:49 GMT 10
F1 is constantly reacting and anticipating fan, sponsor and manufacturer demands. At least with this annoying tyre situation no one team is flogging the rest. Ribbed tyres came and went. Fuel stops were stopped, then started, then stopped. A tyre war meant if you weren'ton x tyres, you may as wwell not bother. When Canada 2010/11/12(forget) happened, everyone loved the need for so many stops. It triggered an idea and here we are.
My preference is for refuelling and tyres that act like a lithium battery. Full performance and then a lap of poor performance followed by dog-on-lino mode.
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Post by webberswdc on May 13, 2013 0:17:02 GMT 10
Bernie and his f**k-up circus act are ruining this sport. No I don't want Bridgestones that can last 18000 laps at 140% pace, but equally, 4 stops?!?!?? Ridiculous. Last year's tyres were fine, spiced up a little, and yeah still artificial, but the best compromise we are really gonna get. What was wrong with the 2010 Bridgestones..
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Post by dufus101 on May 13, 2013 0:40:28 GMT 10
I'd suggest that Seb's past four years have been phenomenal. Only a somewhat ridiculous ruling re: double diffusers stopped him from being 4x WDC chasing his fifth straight title. At that rate of "what ifs" you could also argue if Mark wasn't injured he could have won in 2009, and if Seb hadn't got that Safety Car in Britain in 2010 just before he was about to be lapped by Mark then either Mark or Nando would have won the Title. Difference being, Jonesy, that the multi-level diffuser ruling was entirely political, made in partly successful effort to retain two teams in F1 (Brawn and Atoyot) and which was roundly and widely mocked and panned at the time.
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Post by katederby on May 13, 2013 0:43:33 GMT 10
I haven't seen one single podium "interview" that hasn't sounded like shite, and made the drivers look about as comfortable as a pineapple up the rectum. That, combined with watching "The pinnacle of motor sport" limp around 5 seconds slower than they are capable of is really driving me away from F1 right now And taht's why, as stupid as it sounds, I am hoping Mark retires asap. I am sick of watching this every weekend, atm Mark is the only reason why I still tune in on all those Sundays when I could do much more productive things. Feel the same (although a MW win would probably change that), F1 is losing the plot. Shhh... but I quite like Endurance racing.
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Post by Emm on May 13, 2013 0:52:59 GMT 10
Interesting to hear that after JEV's initial delamination he went back out and then did it again (we didn't see that). Bizarre.
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Post by oldjonesfan on May 13, 2013 0:53:46 GMT 10
At that rate of "what ifs" you could also argue if Mark wasn't injured he could have won in 2009, and if Seb hadn't got that Safety Car in Britain in 2010 just before he was about to be lapped by Mark then either Mark or Nando would have won the Title. Difference being, Jonesy, that the multi-level diffuser ruling was entirely political, made in partly successful effort to retain two teams in F1 (Brawn and Atoyot) and which was roundly and widely mocked and panned at the time. Yes Political decision it may have been at that point in time but before that what everyone seems to forget is that by his own admission Newey was looking at the idea of a DDD but believed it would be illegal and didn't get it checked out whereas Brawn, Williams, and I believe Toyota did get it checked out during the design process.
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Post by trippinjim on May 13, 2013 9:01:07 GMT 10
Forgive the bad memory but AN did make the query and it was intimated it would be ruled illegal. Problem was he asked for a 'guidance ruling' rather properly testing it via the actual authority who would make the final decision. I think.
Only bitter because it gave Jense the title who is no more deserving or skilled than MW IMO, not cos MW was robbed per se. History will b too kind to JB and perhaps not quite so to MW?
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Post by Ropadope on May 13, 2013 13:20:01 GMT 10
If vettel doesn't join the same team as either alonso or hamilton at some point (and gives them a spanking), mark will be forever under-rated imo.
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Post by trippinjim on May 13, 2013 13:35:04 GMT 10
Fair call Rope. Reckon it will happen tho. You?
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Post by karne on May 14, 2013 9:54:38 GMT 10
If vettel doesn't join the same team as either alonso or hamilton at some point (and gives them a spanking), mark will be forever under-rated imo. Only problem is it would never happen. Vettel chucks grade-A temper tantrums whenever Mark beats him now - can you imagine how he'd be in a situation where Alonso was beating him all the time? He wouldn't be able to stand not being number one, not having the team's undivided attention. He won't go somewhere where the team kisses another driver's feet, not just his own.
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